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		<title>By: JOHN LEPPELL</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-74142</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHN LEPPELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEWSVINE,
What is up with the people at Newsvine. My god what jerks they are. Someone by the name of Sally Chamberlin, pulled the plug on me.  She told me that I was  PERMANENTLY DISABLED. I have asked Sally several times to let me know what I did or said that was so bad. I never even got a warning. What ever I said , someone did not like hearing the truth . What ever happened to free speech? Only in America.   I do not like it. It is just plane wrong to ban someone from speaking or writing freely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEWSVINE,<br />
What is up with the people at Newsvine. My god what jerks they are. Someone by the name of Sally Chamberlin, pulled the plug on me.  She told me that I was  PERMANENTLY DISABLED. I have asked Sally several times to let me know what I did or said that was so bad. I never even got a warning. What ever I said , someone did not like hearing the truth . What ever happened to free speech? Only in America.   I do not like it. It is just plane wrong to ban someone from speaking or writing freely.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often, when I hear the term &quot;social media&quot; the hair on my back rises. I think Wikipedia or the likes or any originally idealistic project eventually taken over by a mob and turned into a &quot;dictatorship of the proletariat&quot;. 

If we&#039;ve learned anything from the social media that have gone before it is that &quot;it&#039;s difficult to make good projects work well and it&#039;s easy to make idealistic ones turn into hell&quot;. I would personally be very wary of any tool built on non-exclusive participation. 

I know, that sounds elitist and elitist is bad in pop culture. But most social media concepts are based upon an idealistic view that everyone will be equal and have the same amount of input. Where there are humans, this is rarely if ever the case. 

Some social media are like a ponzy scheme in terms of their &quot;added value&quot; to each individual networking participant. 

The network owner and managers gain some value from the existance and growth of the network only because they were first or &quot;founders&quot;. But their interests are not equal to those of the &quot;downline&quot; network participants who they usually do not allow to exploit the network for any real gain.  In fact, there is a conflict of interest between the networking participants and the network &quot;founder&quot; or owner.

Networkers are attracted to the network by promises of considerable personal gain, usually through the great publicity and brand created by an ever increasing body of users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often, when I hear the term &#8220;social media&#8221; the hair on my back rises. I think Wikipedia or the likes or any originally idealistic project eventually taken over by a mob and turned into a &#8220;dictatorship of the proletariat&#8221;. </p>
<p>If we&#8217;ve learned anything from the social media that have gone before it is that &#8220;it&#8217;s difficult to make good projects work well and it&#8217;s easy to make idealistic ones turn into hell&#8221;. I would personally be very wary of any tool built on non-exclusive participation. </p>
<p>I know, that sounds elitist and elitist is bad in pop culture. But most social media concepts are based upon an idealistic view that everyone will be equal and have the same amount of input. Where there are humans, this is rarely if ever the case. </p>
<p>Some social media are like a ponzy scheme in terms of their &#8220;added value&#8221; to each individual networking participant. </p>
<p>The network owner and managers gain some value from the existance and growth of the network only because they were first or &#8220;founders&#8221;. But their interests are not equal to those of the &#8220;downline&#8221; network participants who they usually do not allow to exploit the network for any real gain.  In fact, there is a conflict of interest between the networking participants and the network &#8220;founder&#8221; or owner.</p>
<p>Networkers are attracted to the network by promises of considerable personal gain, usually through the great publicity and brand created by an ever increasing body of users.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Micheal Bellamy</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-49873</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Micheal Bellamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 03:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site is super nice, we love it!!

as for the &quot;other site&quot;...:

Newsvine breaks the law of the Constitution of the United States: the first amendment of free speech.

They censor what they don&#039;t like, especially when it’s the truth.

Soon there will be a class action lawsuit taking them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site is super nice, we love it!!</p>
<p>as for the &#8220;other site&#8221;&#8230;:</p>
<p>Newsvine breaks the law of the Constitution of the United States: the first amendment of free speech.</p>
<p>They censor what they don&#8217;t like, especially when it’s the truth.</p>
<p>Soon there will be a class action lawsuit taking them down.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim - Just a Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim - Just a Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing is I ignore these people and typically go the opposite if what ever they have to say. I like what I like and I don&#039;t worry too much about what others like.  This is classic sheep being led off to the slaughter.  Sure there are occasions where what I like coincides but I never take anyones word for it and large crowds of people hitting up on something typically make me skeptical as large groups of people tend to be largely stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is I ignore these people and typically go the opposite if what ever they have to say. I like what I like and I don&#8217;t worry too much about what others like.  This is classic sheep being led off to the slaughter.  Sure there are occasions where what I like coincides but I never take anyones word for it and large crowds of people hitting up on something typically make me skeptical as large groups of people tend to be largely stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: From Geek to Gods: Why Have "Social Rock Stars" Emerged? &#124; Social Media Trader</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>From Geek to Gods: Why Have "Social Rock Stars" Emerged? &#124; Social Media Trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tetrad also shows that there will inevitably be a backlash against power users. People feel frustrated that their voice isn&#8217;t being heard, but that is the nature of the oral society. Not everyone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tetrad also shows that there will inevitably be a backlash against power users. People feel frustrated that their voice isn&#8217;t being heard, but that is the nature of the oral society. Not everyone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Shroud of Bullshit often Surrounding Social Media &#171; Andrew A. Peterson and Ramping Up</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>The Shroud of Bullshit often Surrounding Social Media &#171; Andrew A. Peterson and Ramping Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at a new Blog called &#8216;Collective Thoughts on Social Media,&#8217; Marty writes  in a post called Gilded Crown of the Hypocritical Social Media Czar &#8220;The sheer propensity of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at a new Blog called &#8216;Collective Thoughts on Social Media,&#8217; Marty writes  in a post called Gilded Crown of the Hypocritical Social Media Czar &#8220;The sheer propensity of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media Contributor - Exploitation or Internship? &#171; The Uncanny Broadcasting Brain Blog</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media Contributor - Exploitation or Internship? &#171; The Uncanny Broadcasting Brain Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are &#8220;used&#8221; by these sites to make money. Tadeusz Szewczyk, as well as the author of Gilded Crown of the Hypocritical Social Media Czar, argue that social media users are used to provide content or hype for social media sites while [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are &#8220;used&#8221; by these sites to make money. Tadeusz Szewczyk, as well as the author of Gilded Crown of the Hypocritical Social Media Czar, argue that social media users are used to provide content or hype for social media sites while [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Glen :). J, I&#039;m glad you found the post humorous enough to spray your drink, if the conditions had been right. He He.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Glen <img src='http://collective-thoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . J, I&#8217;m glad you found the post humorous enough to spray your drink, if the conditions had been right. He He.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Allsopp</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Allsopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post marty, had me hooked from beginning to end</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post marty, had me hooked from beginning to end</p>
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		<title>By: JMorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How can the profession of “link baiter for hire” even exist in this happy horseshit world of benevolent flower power espousing kitty cats?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m really glad I wasn&#039;t taking a drink when I read that line.

My background is mostly in content management systems. Even in those communities, you see a lot of the same things as you described and, yes, there are plenty of Czars.

Great post Marty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can the profession of “link baiter for hire” even exist in this happy horseshit world of benevolent flower power espousing kitty cats?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad I wasn&#8217;t taking a drink when I read that line.</p>
<p>My background is mostly in content management systems. Even in those communities, you see a lot of the same things as you described and, yes, there are plenty of Czars.</p>
<p>Great post Marty!</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
		<link>http://collective-thoughts.com/2007/11/22/gilded-crown-of-the-hypocritical-social-media-czar/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gagging&quot; LOL! :) I can honestly say that I am not in social media for the money. The other areas of our agency practice are lucrative enough. I&#039;m a total social media addict and have to monitor my time because I&#039;d be happy to twitter my days away for free...cause I love people and community SO much. 

That said we DO make plenty of money, marketing with blogs, on SU, Digg, YouTube and other sites but we NEVER evangelize the religion of community participation as some sacred cow-or cut down others for trying to organize their friends earn a buck. So long as the content servers the community appropriately who cares? So long as the mob loves the show...who cares?

We talk about the WHOLE game...to serve both the community&#039;s AND the advertisers&#039; need. We are gatekeepers too, never allowing crap into the communities we love...and don&#039;t get me wrong...I LOVE SU. I LOVE Digg. I LOVE Sphinn.

Making money is cool. Social media religion is cool. Just tell both sides of the story from the same side of your mouth from the bully pulpit. I like the way Neil Patel talks about things. He is protective about being appropriate in the community...and also teaches us how to make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gagging&#8221; LOL! <img src='http://collective-thoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I can honestly say that I am not in social media for the money. The other areas of our agency practice are lucrative enough. I&#8217;m a total social media addict and have to monitor my time because I&#8217;d be happy to twitter my days away for free&#8230;cause I love people and community SO much. </p>
<p>That said we DO make plenty of money, marketing with blogs, on SU, Digg, YouTube and other sites but we NEVER evangelize the religion of community participation as some sacred cow-or cut down others for trying to organize their friends earn a buck. So long as the content servers the community appropriately who cares? So long as the mob loves the show&#8230;who cares?</p>
<p>We talk about the WHOLE game&#8230;to serve both the community&#8217;s AND the advertisers&#8217; need. We are gatekeepers too, never allowing crap into the communities we love&#8230;and don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230;I LOVE SU. I LOVE Digg. I LOVE Sphinn.</p>
<p>Making money is cool. Social media religion is cool. Just tell both sides of the story from the same side of your mouth from the bully pulpit. I like the way Neil Patel talks about things. He is protective about being appropriate in the community&#8230;and also teaches us how to make money.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex @ Web 2.0 WordPress Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex @ Web 2.0 WordPress Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post that summarizes the core issue I think. All those social network companies were made &quot;for profit&quot; and we should make no mistakes about it.

I only think it&#039;s upsetting that they allow so much power to be concentrated in hands of the few zealots, many of whom have nothing outside of that network. Their power ego kills the progress itself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post that summarizes the core issue I think. All those social network companies were made &#8220;for profit&#8221; and we should make no mistakes about it.</p>
<p>I only think it&#8217;s upsetting that they allow so much power to be concentrated in hands of the few zealots, many of whom have nothing outside of that network. Their power ego kills the progress itself</p>
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		<title>By: SEO 2.0 &#124; Why Social Media is Like Slavery and SMO Equals Abolitionism</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEO 2.0 &#124; Why Social Media is Like Slavery and SMO Equals Abolitionism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at our group blog Collective Thoughts Marty of aimClear  has written an intriguing article about the notion that you are not allowed to perform certain practices on social media unless you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tad Chef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tad Chef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the early Internet Web 2.0 is all about making money. Most of the Web 2.0 companies are based on User Generated Content (UGC) created by the user so saying that self-exploitation for free for all those companies should be strictly a mo&#039; pain no gain kind of giving up on yourself and your precious time is downright crazy.
Nobody would work for free for a profit oriented company in real life, yet we all do for the likes of Google (YouTube etc.), Digg, Yahoo (Flickr, del.icio.us) or eBay (StumbleUpon).

So people advocating exploitation on web 2.0 platforms are your enemies, not the marketers who try to make some sense out of all the work you do for those companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the early Internet Web 2.0 is all about making money. Most of the Web 2.0 companies are based on User Generated Content (UGC) created by the user so saying that self-exploitation for free for all those companies should be strictly a mo&#8217; pain no gain kind of giving up on yourself and your precious time is downright crazy.<br />
Nobody would work for free for a profit oriented company in real life, yet we all do for the likes of Google (YouTube etc.), Digg, Yahoo (Flickr, del.icio.us) or eBay (StumbleUpon).</p>
<p>So people advocating exploitation on web 2.0 platforms are your enemies, not the marketers who try to make some sense out of all the work you do for those companies.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sadler</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like you are gagging to be a Czar yourself Marty! Like you I just sit on the touchline and watch this develop. I agree the prospect of making bucks is what drives most of us to spend so much time in front of a screen. I also agree that marketing is getting itself a bad name through splogging. When we look back on history I am sure it will all be part of a plan to get somewhere, maybe Web 2.0 will have taken over the world :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like you are gagging to be a Czar yourself Marty! Like you I just sit on the touchline and watch this develop. I agree the prospect of making bucks is what drives most of us to spend so much time in front of a screen. I also agree that marketing is getting itself a bad name through splogging. When we look back on history I am sure it will all be part of a plan to get somewhere, maybe Web 2.0 will have taken over the world <img src='http://collective-thoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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